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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Llyfr Taliesin Reply with quote

The First Address of Taliesin
The Book of Taliesin I
The Red Book of Hergest XXIII
From The Four Ancient Books of Wales


A PRIMITIVE and ingenious address, when thoroughly elucidated.
Which was first, is it darkness, is it light?
Or Adam, when he existed, on what day was he created?
Or under the earthís surface, what the foundation?
He who is a legionary will receive no instruction.
Est qui peccator in many things,
Will lose the heavenly country, the community of priests.
In the morning no one comes
If they sing of three spheres.
Angles and Gallwydel,
Let them make their war.
Whence come night and day?
Whence will the eagle become gray?
Whence is it that night is dark?
Whence is it that the linnet is green?
The ebullition of the sea,
How is it not seen?
There are three fountains
In the mountain of roses,
There is a Caer of defence
Under the oceanís wave.
Illusive greeter,
What is the porterís name?
Who was confessor
To the gracious Son of Mary?
What was the most beneficial measure
Which Adam accomplished?
Who will measure Uffern?
How thick its veil?
How wide its mouth?
What the size of its stones?
Or the tops of its whirling trees?
Who bends them so crooked?
Or what fumes may be
About their stems?
Is it Lleu and Gwydyon
That perform their arts?
Or do they know books
When they do?
Whence come night and flood?
How they disappear?
Whither flies night from day;
And how is it not seen?
Pater noster ambulo
Gentis tonans in adjuvando
Sibilem signum
Rogantes fortium.
Excellent in every way around the glens
The two skilful ones make inquiries
About Caer Oerindan Oerindydd
For the draught-horses of pector David.
They have enjoyment-they move about-
May they find me greatly expanding.
The Cymry will be lamenting
While their souls will be tried
Before a horde of ravagers.
The Cymry, chief wicked ones,
On account of the loss of holy wafers.
There will long be crying and wailing,
And gore will be conspicuous.
There came by sea
The wood-steeds of the strand. The Angles in council
Shall see signs of
Exultation over Saxons.
The praises of the rulers
Will be celebrated in Sion.
Let the chief builders be
Against the fierce Ffichti,
The Morini Brython.
Their fate has been predicted;
And the reaping of heroes
About the river Severn.
The stealing is disguised of Ken and Masswy
Ffls amala, ffur, ffir, sel,
Thou wilt discern the Trinity beyond my age
I implore the Creator, hai
Huai, that the Gentile may vanish
From the Gospel Equally worthy
With the retinue of the wall
Cornu ameni dur.
I have been with skilful men,
With Matheu and Govannon,
With Eunydd and Elestron,
In company with Achwyson,
For a year in Caer Gofannon.
I am old. I am young. I am Gwion,
I am universal, I am possessed of penetrating wit.
Thou wilt remember thy old Brython I (And) the Gwyddyl, kiln distillers,
Intoxicating the drunkards.
I am a bard; I will not disclose secrets to slaves;
I am a guide: I am expert in contests.
If he would sow, he would plough; he would plough, he would not reap.
If a brother among brothers,
Didactic Bards with swelling breasts will arise
Who will meet around mead-vessels,
And sing wrong poetry
And seek rewards that will not be,
Without law, without regulation, without gifts.
And afterwards will become angry.
There will be commotions and turbulent times~,
Seek no peace-it will not accrue to thee.
The Ruler of Heaven knows thy prayer.
From his ardent wrath thy praise has propitiated him
The Sovereign King of Glory addresses me with wisdom
Hast thou seen the dominus fortis?
Knowest thou the profound prediction domini?
To the advantage of Uffern
Hic nemo in por progenie
He has liberated its tumultuous multitude.
Dominus virtutum
Has gathered together those that were in slavery,
And before I existed He had perceived me.
May I be ardently devoted to God!
And before I desire the end of existence,
And before the broken foam shall come upon my lips,
And before I become connected with wooden boards,
May there be festivals to my soul!
Book-learning scarcely tells me
Of severe afflictions after death-bed;
And such as have heard my bardic books
They shall obtain the region of heaven, the best of all abodes.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen Lawhead wrote a series of books called The Pendragon Cycle. The first book is called Taliesin. In Lawhead's tales, Taliesin is born with one foot in the spiritual world. He marries Charis, daughter of Avallach (The Fisher King of Avalon) who arrived in Britain after Atlantis was taken by the sea. They, Taliesin and Charis, are the parents of Merlin.

Merlin is the second book, my favorite of the series. Is the story of Merlin growing on the Isle of Apples and also in Gwyenedd. both of Merlin's grandfathers were kings. In Lawhead's version, Merlin is like the elvin people. He seems to be immortal, as far as age goes. The atlantians lived many generations longer than normal people. He also, instead of being a wizard or magician, is a bard like his father and blessed with wisdom beyond most men. He also, and I like this part of the tale, becomes a follower of Jesus.

The third book is Arthur, then Pendragon, and then The Holy Grail.

Lawhead recently put out another book for this series called Avalon. A new twist on the Arthur legend as this one takes place in modern times and is the return of King Arthur at a time when Britain needs him.

This an absolute beautiful and creative take on Arthur and his legend. I love these books. Have read the entire series many many times over.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llyfr means "book of"

Welsh flag


Taliesin was/is a real person
the above was actually written by him thousands of years ago
he claimed to appear throughout many different periods of history
he said he was him who peeks forth from the unhewn dolmen arch
that means he was born of woman
and may have been continually re-incarnated
he may be here now
i may be him
or maybe not
you don't know
maybe i'm weirder than him
maybe more dire
maybe less savory
or maybe i'm him
or maybe not
you don't know

He was a bard
(he doesn't disclose secrets to slaves)
A bard sings or writes magical history
he's as powerful as a druid or a vate or a wizard or a king--maybe more

a druid...
well
i can't tell you what a druid does
but a vate controls the weather

merlin was a wizard--let me just say he didn't work for bankofamerica

and let me also say
that saint patrick was not gay
and didn't approve of it
as he deemed it an unseemly
and unsanitary
and unmanly practice
unworthy to be paradin'

arthur was a real king
and captain
who defeated the saxons in ten major battles
"wearing (or carrying) a wooden cross on his shoulder"
he, like all who believe in jesus
will rise from the dead

these were all real people

jesus lived in wales for a time
as a youngster
when he was hitchiking around following pink floyd and the grateful dead Laughing Cool

his family had the royal fleet that could sail into the wind
because his family was the royal family
(duh)
and that fleet controlled the tin routes
because wales was about the only place in the ancient known world
where tin was known to be found
and you need tin to make bronze
so neither he
not his family, was poor
to begin with
and the gold frankinsense and myrrh
that the magi brought, as honoring gifts
at his birth
was, in itself
worth 2 million dollars
in today's money

jesus was The Logos
and "came out from God"

In the beginning was the logos
and the logos was with God
and the logos
was God

he and joseph of arimathea (his uncle) were architects and builders of sacred temples and governmental buildings

that word got translated "carpenter"

"THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED
HAS BECOME CHIEF OVER ALL THE CORNERS"

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Book-learning scarcely tells me
Of severe afflictions after death-bed;


translation:

"my studies have rendered me scant mention of hell"
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: peeps--peeks forth from--same thing Reply with quote

Song of Amergin
Song of Amergin is an ancient Celtic calendar-alphabet,
found in several purposely garbled Irish and Welsh variants,
which briefly summarizes the prime poetic myth.

I am a stag: of seven tines,
I am a flood: across a plain,
I am a wind: on a deep lake,
I am a tear: the Sun lets fall,
I am a hawk: above the cliff,
I am a thorn: beneath the nail,
I am a wonder: among flowers,
I am a wizard: who but I
Sets the cool head aflame with smoke?

I am a spear: that roars for blood,
I am a salmon: in a pool,
I am a lure: from paradise,
I am a hill: where poets walk,
I am a boar: ruthless and red,
I am a breaker: threatening doom,
I am a tide: that drags to death,
I am an infant: who but I
Peeps from the unhewn dolmen, arch?


I am the womb: of every holt,
I am the blaze: on every hill,
I am the queen: of every hive,
I am the shield: for every head,
I am the tomb: of every hope.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&fkt=4747&fsdt=9634&q=jesus+in+wales&btnG=Google+Search
jesus' teenaged adventures in wales
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



ancient tin routes
it all starts in wales Wink



there were a few scrappy deposits of tin
know in a few other places
but wales had wads of itTwisted Evil

cyprus had the most copper
and cyprus means "coppery"

copper and tin makes bronze
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Hanes Taliesin"

"Primary chief bard am I to Elphin,
And my original country is the region of the summer stars;
Idno and Heinin called me Merddin,
At length every king will call me Taliesin.


5. I was with my Lord in the highest sphere,
On the fall of Lucifer into the depth of hell
I have borne a banner before Alexander;
I know the names of the stars from north to the south;
I have been on the Galaxy at the throne of the Distributor;


10. I was in Canaan when Absalom was slain;
I conveyed Awen [the Divine Spirit] to the level of the vale of Hebron
I was in the court of DŰn before the birth of Gwydion.
I was instructor to Eli and Enoch;
I have been winged by the genius of the splendid crozier;


15. I have been loquacious prior to being gifted with speech;
I was at the place of the crucifixion of the merciful son of God;
I have been three periods in the prison of Arianrhod;
I have been the chief director of the work of the tower of Nimrod;
I am a wonder whose origin is not known.


20. I have been in Asia with Noah in the Ark,
I have witnessed the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah;
I have been in India when Rome was built;
I am now come here to the remnant of Troia.
I have been with my Lord in the manger of the ass;


25. I strenghtened Moses through the waters of Jordan;
I have been in the firmament with Mary Magdalene;
I have obtained the muse from the Cauldron of Caridwen;
I have been bard of the harp to Lleon of Lochlin.
I have been on the White Hill, in the court of Cynvelyn,


30. For a year and a day in stocks and fetters,
I have suffered hunger for the Son of the Virgin,
I have been fostered in the land of the Deity,
I have been teacher to all intelligences,
I am able to instruct the whole universe.


35. I shall be until the day of doom on the face of the earth;
And it is not known if my body is flesh or fish.
Then I was for nine months
In the womb of the hag Caridwen;
I was originally little Gwion,
And at length I am Taliesin."

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

note:
in welsh
and all celtic
in any word of three or more syllables
the accent is on the third to last syllable
(NOT the second to last--like latin-based language or various orc gruntings)

and when you see dd
that's pronounced th as in 'then'

(not like 'thin')
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in that ancient text taliesin says he IS merlyn
(merddyn)

which would explain why both seem to be somehow outside of normal space-time continuum perceptions

once and future

reminds me of the bible's description of Melchesidec:

Hbr 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;
but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.geocities.com/branwaedd/lyfyrtaliesin.html
Llyfr Taliesin
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dwylbtzle wrote:
in that ancient text taliesin says he IS merlyn
(merddyn)

which would explain why both seem to be somehow outside of normal space-time continuum perceptions

once and future

reminds me of the bible's description of Melchesidec:

Hbr 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;
but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.


check out the books, they're great reading. In those, Taliesin is Elphin's adopted son and Merlin's father and husband to Charis, the lady of the lake. Merlin was born dead and Taliesin sang life back into him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well
i like to read books
like tolkein's that were BASED on mythology
but i may never get around to reading that stuff

only for two reasons
for some reason i do almost no book reading, anymore
haven't for years
i have this huge list of shit i've been meaning to read
and just that list will probably use up the rest of my life

also
and THIS is a big one:
we have things actually written by taliesin
the REAL HISTORICAL Taliesin
and they are more intense than any fiction i've ever seen

check out that link i just posted

that's some cosmic stuff!

even after being translated to english
and all these ages passing

some of it is hard to understand

but that's probably a good thing

makes you search more and more

i get nervous when people pick some name of some real person
and make a fictional story about him
and other people from history

taliesin lived at jesus' time (possibly)
yet he himself CLAIMS he IS merlin
who also lived hundreds of years later
(around arthur's time)

arthur was a real person
uther pendragon was a real person

(arthur's father)

vortigern was a real person

see what I mean?
no offense
they might be fine stories
i just wish the author had just made up totally fictional charactors
like tolkein did
rather than mixing history with mythology with fiction

i would get just as nervous if someone wrote a story about julius ceasar being guinavier's uncle
and belonging to a chess club with charlamagne
and they all went fishing on thursdays with thor

this nervousness partially derives from the fact that
as the centuries go by
people have added their own stories in there, anyway

600 years from now people will be even more confused about what little we can really glean out as factual
I have never been able to force myself to read any of the fictional things about arthur
not even the famous ancient ones
like Mort de' Artur
or The Once And Future King
just can't do it Confused

tolkein did it right

he used some basic mythological themes
and then gave all the charactors their own fictional names
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just as an example
as to how lame my reading habits are now:

i've been in the middle of reading SERPICO for about a year and a frikkin' half Laughing Mad Rolling Eyes

no offense
but there's just almost NO chance that it'll ever happen

just being honest, here Confused

and if i was going camping for a month
and decided to take a book with me
THAT would PROBABLY be about the only way i'd actually finish a book
and I have just SO MANY that are, now, on the list
ahead of ANYTHING else
new

and the list just get's longer every year

i could put that stuff on the list
but i'd probably have to live to be 200 years old
to get to it Laughing
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