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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: 2ND AMENDMENT UPHELD BY SUPREME COURT Reply with quote

OK
THIS is what the 2nd amendment says:

"a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed,"


and all but one of the circuits that had considered the issue previously
had interpreted it as providing a gun-ownership right related only to military service.

but this is utterly silly
and simply comes from people forgetting what the word "MILITIA" originally meant
and always HAS meant
and MEANS RIGHT NOW:

a militia is a quasi-military force drawn instantly from the populace
where citizens extant upon the frikkin immediate landscape
show up in whatever clothes they have on their backs
PROVIDING THEIR OWN WEAPONS!
and they aren't an arm of the government
and they aren't necessarly directed by a government functionary
and the reason they are NECESSARY for a free state
is because they might be needed to FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT
so
of course
the frikkin government doesn't get to keep all the arms under lock and key
and call that "THE MILITIA"

DUH@! Rolling Eyes

and yer not gonna be able to instantly draw these instant citizen fighters
if they don't have their own weapons
IN THEIR HOUSES
not in some government building
locked up in some vault

OK?

and the supreme court
today
agreed five to four

what's scary about all this is that people EVER tried to pretend this isn't obvious
and that four out of nine IDIOT supreme court justices dared to disagree

END OF DISCUSSION
(finally) Rolling Eyes

the founding fathers knew that all our other rights couldn't be protected without THIS right

judges don't confer a right
not even the constitution CONFERS rights
rights are ENDOWED BY THE CREATOR

and one RIGHT is the RIGHT to protect yerself
especially from some idiot government

you have the right to own a gun

not to hunt
not to target practice

but to shoot cops and army guys and politicians
if you have to

to keep their smarmy idiot presumptuous asses in line

to keep their greasy grubby paws off yer GOD GIVEN RIGHTS Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the court also struck down all laws that require a person to disable his firearm
by forcing one to keep it dis-assembled in one's home
or being required to have a trigger lock
which only makes sense
since you have that gun in yer house to use if someone is breaking in yer damn front door Rolling Eyes
DUH!

now
in case anyone STILL has any questions as to what the founding fathers had in mind:

Topic #1.
WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS THOUGHT ABOUT "GUN CONTROL"
Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly's reply to
the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." (1764 Letter and speech from T.
Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
defense." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than
99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
we need them every hour." (Address to 1st session of Congress)

George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)

Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
almost every country in Europe." (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
Chronicle.)

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers,
334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)

Topic #2:
WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS MEANT BY THE "MILITIA"

George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
Debates, 425-426)

Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and
include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)

James Madison: "A WELL REGULATED militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the
best and most natural defense of a free country." (1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789,
emphasis added.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Back in the 18th century, a "regular" army meant an army that had
standard military equipment. So a "well regulated" army was simply one that was "well equipped." It
does NOT refer to a professional army. The 17th century folks used the term "STANDING Army"
to describe a professional army. THEREFORE, "a well regulated militia" only means a well equipped
militia. It does not imply the modern meaning of "regulated," which means controlled or administered
by some superior entity. Federal control over the militia comes from other parts of the Constitution,
but not from the second amendment. (my personal opinion)

Patrick Henry: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms." (Elliott, Debates at 185)

Alexander Hamilton: "...that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties
of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms."
(Federalist Paper #29)

"Little more can be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed
and equipped." (Id) {responding to the claim that the militia itself could threaten liberty}" There is
something so far-fetched, and so extravagant in the idea of danger of liberty from the militia that one
is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or raillery (mockery). (Id)

Topic #3:
MODERN LEADERS THOUGHTS ON GUN CONTROL:

Adolf Hitler: "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun
registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead."
(Chancelor's Speech, 1935)

Charles Shumer: (US Congress, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution) "All we ask for
is registration, just like we do for cars." (Press conference, 1993, exact date being sought)

Adof Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subject peoples to
possess arms. So let's not have any talk about native militias." (Hitler's Secret Conversations,
1941-44, Farrar, Strauss and Young, 1953)

Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must
command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." (Problems of
War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in "Selected Works of Mao Zedong," 1965)

Diane Feinstein: "US Senator, If I could have banned them all- 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in
your guns' -I would have!" (Statement on TV program 69 Minutes, Feb 5 1995)

Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the
act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi,
446)

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)
Razz Laughing

Bill Clinton: (US President, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution, (not to violate it,
criticize it, and belittle it)) "When we got organized as a country, [and] wrote a fairly radical
Constitution, with a radical Bill of Rights, giving radical amounts of freedom to Americans, it was
assumed that Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly...When personal freedom is
being abused, you have to move to limit it." (April 19 1994, on MTV)

TOPIC #4:
FOUNDING FATHERS INTENT BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION:

Samual Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." (Convention of the Commonwealth
of Mass., 86-87, date still being sought)

Noah Webster: "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority...the
Constitution was made to guard against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages
who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean
to be masters." (Source still being sought)

Thomas Jefferson: "On every occasion...[of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves
back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates,
and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it,
[instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (June 12 1823, Letter to
William Johnson)

Topic #5:
RELIGION, WEAPONS AND SELF DEFENSE:

"Now there was no metal smith found in all the land of Israel, for the Philistines had said, "Lest the
Hebrews make for themselves swords or spears"...But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines,
each man to sharpen his plow blade, his coulter, his ax and his maddock. So it came to pass on the
day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that
were with Saul or Johnathan; but with Saul and Jonathan there was found [other lethal weapons]
1 Samuel 13:19-22)

"Jesus said, 'But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a
sword must sell his cloak and buy one.'" (Luke 22:36) "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." (Exodus 22:2) (Note, the test later indicates that this right to kill does not apply to a daytime break in. So in daylight, self defense must be shone.)

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his house, his possessions are safe." (Matthew 11:21)
(Note, the text later states that a stronger or better armed criminal could overpower a weaker or
poorly armed victim, so get a magnum!)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Handguns are totally banned in Britain
and property crime is five times higher than in America


There are one million instances
per year
wherein Americans have occasion to defend and protect their lives and property with firearms


(remember--when you call the cops
they take about 2 hours to show up)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -
-- Thomas Jefferson ...


does THIS sound like the founding fathers meant the second amendment
to only mean that all guns should be locked in some government barn, at all times? Rolling Eyes

I think NOT Evil or Very Mad

and yet
with all the above statements in the historical record
we had four of nine supreme court justices
and zillions of disingenuous liberals PRETENDING they THINK that's what the founding fathers meant

PRETENDING they THINK that Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
when they KNOW that when they SAY that's what they BELIEVE the founding fathers meant
THEY ARE BLATENTLY LYING

they clearly knew
everyone clearly knew
exactly what the 2nd amendment meant

they just used the fact that some people have forgotten what the word "militia" means
to try and TAKE AWAY ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS


KNOWING they were trying to TAKE IT AWAY ILLEGALLY
IMMORALLY
AND UNCONSTITUTIONALLY
BECAUSE THEY KNOW BETTER!

these are the kind of people we are dealing with

face it


and beware of their next smarmy elitist rights destroying attempt

watch their every move
and FIGHT THEM

FIGHT BACK

are we worms?

are we not MENSCH?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tme to beat yer guns into plowshares n grow some vittles where
yer lawn used to be, if y'all ask me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and then what do you do when the Mongols come over the hill to burn yer
crops and kill you and take your women and children to be sold into
slavery?

wave yer ACLU card at them?

call the cops?

vote for a more socialist government?

that circumstance you quoted is predicted for the future

even so LORD
come quickly

meanwhile
"If any man hath not a sword, let him sell his own garments, if need be, and GO PURCHASE ONE!"
-Jesus Christ
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Topic #5:
RELIGION, WEAPONS AND SELF DEFENSE:

"Now there was no metal smith found in all the land of Israel, for the Philistines had said, "Lest the
Hebrews make for themselves swords or spears"...But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines,
each man to sharpen his plow blade, his coulter, his ax and his maddock. So it came to pass on the
day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that
were with Saul or Johnathan; but with Saul and Jonathan there was found [other lethal weapons]
1 Samuel 13:19-22)

"Jesus said, 'But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a
sword must sell his cloak and buy one.
'" (Luke 22:36) "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." (Exodus 22:2) (Note, the test later indicates that this right to kill does not apply to a daytime break in. So in daylight, self defense must be shone.)

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his house, his possessions are safe." (Matthew 11:21)
(Note, the text later states that a stronger or better armed criminal could overpower a weaker or
poorly armed victim, so get a magnum!)


You told me yerself that one of yer friends was murdered on his front steps

don't quote scripture to someone who knows it already

that doesn't work

that's what the serpent tried with eve
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=khmer+rouge+evacuation+phnom+penn&spell=1
a tiny satanic little band of socialist PRICKS Evil or Very Mad
expell the entire population of a whole huge city
ALL THE TOWNS AND CITIES-AN ENTIRE NATION!
into the countryside
to be instant utopian agrarian society
and they all die of starvation or disease
or are butchered by the millions

NOT IF THERE WAS A GUN IN EVERY HOUSEHOLD

WHAT IF SIX MILLI0N JEWS HAD ALL MET HITLER WITH A GUN?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah since you mention the still unsolved murder here
I hafta wonder if poor Henry would have had a chance
if he had been armed. Even if he had a gun though
I doubt he would have used it. Wasn't the kind of man
who could have easily pulled a trigger on another human
being. He was too good a guy. Now Maaaaaaaaybe if
we had all your guns up here an people were armed
whoever attacked the poor man woulda had to think twice.
Deterrence, while applicable in many situations, probably
wasn't in this case. The police never noted an
apparent motive for the crime, which means they've
precluded robbery. Since Henry was fairly visibly gay
it probably was a hate crime. Some nasty neanderthals
must have caught him alone and defenceless and decided
to beat him. I don't know maybe Henry could have pulled
out a piece and screamed clint eastwood one liners at
them and bluffed them off. Bout the only way I can think
of guns helping. Hand gun's good for a theatre prop if little
else in this situation. Poor man never woulda had the heart
to blow somebody away. Even a troglodyte basher.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care how much you wanna rob somebody
or how much you hate gays
if the guy pulls out a gun and shoots it in the air
and then cocks it again and points it right at yer eyeball

yer gonna back off

you can always start at the foot and shoot up slowly
Laughing

if yer a gay beater or a robber
are you gonna be more active where you KNOW nobody has a gun
or where there's a good chance?

anyway
one can speculate till hell freezes over

but the fact remains that IN AMERICA we have THE BILL OF RIGHTS
and the 2nd of those amendments leaves the choice of whether to carry a gun
or not
up to the individual

not you
not me
not some cop
not some town council
not some legislature
not some judge
THE INDIVIDUAL

which of the other rights are we gonna let some judge or town council infringe next?

freedom of seech?
freedom of the press?
freedom of association and assembly?
right to petition the government?
(see cannabis thread)
redress of grievances?
due process?
search and seizure?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and don't be neanderthal bashin' Laughing Cool
neanderthals were white people
and they had bigger brains than cro magnons
(who were blacks from africa)
and if you have red hair
yer probably part neanderthal

oh
wait
i guess to be PC
we should call cro-magnons
afro-africans

and neanderthals
glacial europeans Wink Laughing

anyway
the cro-magnons had guns (spear throwers--atlatls)
and the neanderthals didn't
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