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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject: 14th Ammendment Reply with quote

An interesting review of the subject clause of the 14th amendment, the subject clause being "...subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." and what it means historically.

It's from the governments records, so other than the spin the author may or may not have put on it, there is none.

Its interesting to note that the Supremes have only once confirmed the notion of "birthright citizenship" (all you need is to be born here to be a citizen) in a narrow and specific case of one guy born to "legal" residents who were not otherwise citizens (United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898)) and points to several cases of Congress needing to pass a law conferring citizenship on groups, why that is necessary for citizenship, and that individuals within that group may or may not agree to become citizens.

Except as has been pointed out in other articles, birthright citizenship is a fairly recent notion that has come into vogue since the 1960's.

It makes the case of Consent, where both parties, the individual and the federal government, have to agree for that person to become a citizen, and points out several acts of congress where that has happened, how and why the federales have the authority to make the rules for legal immigration. It also points out how birthright citizenship is a notion from English common law, a residue of the feudal system of government as England once had, and why birthright citizenship is totally alien to our republican form of government and has been rejected consistently by every legal precedent except Ark.

I don't know that I have a full grasp on the thing in only one reading. But this guy makes a pretty good case for just being born here doesn't cut it, and never has. That the government has the authority to determine who is a citizen and upon whom citizenship is conferred and how that traditionally has been accomplished.

http://judiciary.house.gov/legacy/6042.htm

As my sweetie Ann points out, no country in the world has a birthright citizenship law, EXCEPT CANADIANS. Even England has stricter rules than almost anyone else.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fearing immigrants is foolish for statistics inform us
that immigrants generate wealth and stimulate economies
doing labour that established citizens don't seem to want
to do like picking fruit and veg and driving cabs and moping
up at 7-11.

Those are established matters of social science. Immigrants
are GOOD for competetive capitalist economies.

The only way the baby boom generation will
get their social security
pensions paid is if the U.S. and Canada
allow bigger waves of
immigration to occur. Some countries like
Australia have created
a public reward for having kids, to the tune
of thousands of dollars
per child reward, because immigrants are
too tough of a political sell downunder.

There just aren't enough children of baby boomers
to hold up the pension systems. More immigrants stimulates
development, building starts go up as the market responds to
thousands of new people's housing needs. Neighbourhoods
grow and the economy chugs along with practically every sector
benefiting from an influx of new consumers in the market.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except immigration isn't the issue. Illegal immigration is the issue, and the idea allowing people citizenship of the country because they are born here is the issue. The notion that because you are born here allows you citizenship is a relatively recent thing, from somewhere between the 1960's and 1980's depending on who you believe. Maybe it's something that "Illegally Immigrated" here from Canadia since you boys up there allow it! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the issue for democrats is to try and get illegals in here to vote
and they figure they will vote demo
in hopes of getting more and more pay-off benefits with taxpayers' money

simple as that
cheap violation with short term political payoff for a political party slimey enough to try it
but unsustainable

basically social-national-and financial suicide
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That certainly exposes the perfidy and moral bankruptcy of the left. And the scope of that is absolutely more financially devastating than we've heretofore seen. But there is a bigger philisophical issue of just plain having control of our borders.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Throughout all of human history populations have migrated
to areas that have wealth and resources. It's an integral part of
human success as omnivores and apex predators.

Even if you COULD seal the entire northern and southern
land borders with a humongous great wall of America,
people would still illegally immigrate through sea and airports.

It's like the war on drugs. You could spend 50% of your G.N.P.
on enforcement and interdiction but you'll never stop the flow
because people want to come there and capitalism wants to exploit
cheap labour.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fine
immigration

that's a bit removed from "bring in illegal aliens from another culture and
language and give them the taxpayers' money and get them all to vote
for OUR ONE IDIOT SCHEMING party"

isn't it? Rolling Eyes

that's just horseshit
and if it were republicans doing it
you would see the point quite clearly

name one other country on earth that allows that

ever get the feeling that the left kinda sees democracy as a big pain in
the ass
and they feel they have to cheat the FUCK out of it
just till they can finally eliminate it
and have total control for our own good?

they're sure gonna hate this NEXT election Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada's Liberal Party brought in lots of immigrants
and they all used to vote Liberal.

Now Canada's Conservative party lobbies the immigrant
community every chance they get and it's paying off as
slowly but surely they are all starting to vote Conservative.

What a Mook's shell game. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes
i've always said that:
once the LEGAL immigrants settle down and look around logically...

you've got a bunch of conservative catholics
Razz

and of course, it's not just the lefty politicos who cheat
there sure are a lot of businesses that LLLLLike that captive slave
work force that will work dirt cheap and are afraid to complain about anything

either problem could be easily fixed if a few of the right asses were kicked hard enough
but both sides have their angles, don't they? Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meanwhile
here's the poor shmoe workadaddy american with his taxes going up
and his wages being forced down

and that guy has every right to bitch
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a guy looks around and his job is taken away
or his kid can't get a job in a hamburger stand because they all go to mexicans
and they are all voting for shit he doesn't like
ILLEGALLY
and they all seem to be on welfare or else taking his job at a quarter of the wages
so his taxes are going thru the roof

and NOW he's supposed to pay for EVERY MEXICAN's health care
etc
etc
etfucking cetera

and here's a bunch of tattooed guys speaking a different language
selling drugs and shooting guns on his street
and they all seem to hate HIM for being a white guy

and "didn't we fight for a thousand years to keep the catholic assholes off our backs?" Laughing Razz Twisted Evil Cool

you can't call THAT guy a simple BIGOT
because he bitches a little
come ON
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